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to respond to the lawsuit and it sounds like she is in it for the long haul. >> i will fight it to the bitter end. i had not paint the doll house. i'll move first. >> it was john mellencamp who said it best. ain't that motor vehicle. home of the free, little pink houses for you and me. oh, except for you, little aubrey. sorry. yours has to look like a shed. so, thank you, john mellencamp and, thank you, homeowner's association, for reminding us what really hearsay on the "rediculust "rediculust." out front next, what mitt romney has paid the last 230 years. do the taxes add up? and new deadly anti-american protests break out around the world. the obama administration helps a television ad will stop the violence, and maxine waters
accused of using her position to help her husband. tonight, her colleagues cleared her of any wrongdoing. does that add up? let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight mitt takes it all off, almost. today mitt romney finally released his 2011 tax return. now, we knew that was coming, but we didn't know he'd almost give us the full monte because he gave us a summary for his returns for the past 20 years. and it was tantalizing what mitt showed us today. it was just a glimpse. last year mitt paid $1.94 million in taxes on $13.7 million of mostly investment income. his effective federal tax rate was 14.1%. all right. we have the proof from romney's tax preparer,
pricewaterhousecoopers, in a notarized letter. between 1990 and 2009, this is the 20-year summary that nobody knew was coming, the romneys' average annual effective federal tax rate was 20.2%. they got that by taking the average of the rate that they paid every year over that 20-year period. their lowest annual effective federal personal tax rate, 13.7%. so they gave an average of 13.5% of their adjusted gross income to charity. that's an incredible large amount of money. hey, if mitt romney had only listened to us sooner, we could have avoided some of the heat he's taken on this issue. >> he must have calculated that there are higher costs in releasing. >> there's obviously something there because if there was nothing there, he would say have at it. >> all right. not to tell you that we told you so, but we kind of did back in july when we told you to just come clean, mitt. >> here is our decent proposal. release the returns. if there's a lot of tax shelters and some, frankly, incredibly low tax rates, significantly lower say than your 13.9% rate
in 2010, mitt, then say this, my tax rates were too low. i don't believe that passively invested money should be taxed lower than income other people earn by working. i benefitted from low rates on investment, that's not great policy and i'm going to change it. all right. well, now he came out with -- he's part of the way there. first of all, he chose to not take a charitable deduction on $1.75 million last year. he did that in order to keep his tax rate at 13%, a promise he had made this summer. and, you know, really to stay consistent with what he had said in august. >> i did go back and look at my taxes, and over the past ten years i never paid less than 13%. >> now, how do you take in the charitable deduction in all of his charity his effective tax rate would have been according to one estimate, 12.2%, not 14.1%. the loophole that allows private equity managers like he was at bain capital to be taxed at capital gains rates instead of the tax rates that the rest of
us pay on our labor, but he did do something else we've called for. again, back to our show in july. it is true that mitt romney gave $7 million to charity in the two years that i held up, that's 2010 and 2011. now, that's 16.4% of his income. it is more than he paid in federal taxes. now, keep this screen up because i want to show you this. it's not like he sat there and hoarded the money he didn't pay to uncle sam. he gave enough away to make his rate, well, 31%, greater than the 30% that president barack obama says should be the minimum rate for wealthy americans. so if you look at it that way, mitt's taxes seem to add up just fine. he could make the argument. that's why he should seize the narrative. okay. well, today i guess better late than never mitt did just that. he shod us that he gives to uncle sam and charity combined way more than the federal tax
rate would require him. according to pricewaterhousecoopers when you add up the total amount they paid in federal and state taxes plus the total amount he gave to charity you get 38.5% of his adjusted gross income. that's a pretty stunningly large amount that there are few americans in this country can say that they do. so this is all good and well, but if you're going to show us this much skin, mitt, i mean why leavthe leaf on? by the way, can -- hold this up. can we put that back for one second. only because we got his medical records today and maybe he does look like this, his standing heart rate is 40. 40. all right? it's kind of crazy so maybe we're not exaggerating there. but when it comes to the taxes, he's already getting criticism because of the bullet points we got for the past 20 years. we didn't get the returns. we've seen headlines like this one already from "the washington post." expert, romney may have paid less in taxes over 20 years than it appears. mitt, your bullet points on the past 20 years were pretty solid. if you're finally going to concede on the point of putting out your taxes after all the pain and suffering you endured from conservatives and liberals when you said you would never put them out, were your bullet points enough?
reihan salam is with me along with marc lamont hill. did mitt romney -- he came out and surprised everybody with the 20-year bullet points and i think he probably surprised a lot of people, i will get to harry reid in a moment for those of you saying why haven't you picked on harry yet, just a minute, did he do enough? did he just fan the fire of a story that kind of had started to go away? >> i think he may well have fanned the fire but he will have an interesting conversation. lets say people are saying, hey, mitt you're not paying enough. had he not given away 30% of his income, he would have paid a federal tax rate of 18%. >> you're talking about for last year. >> for 2011. then the question is, well, how do you feel about the fact he gave this amount to charity? does this really count as something that's giving to the common wheel, to the public good, or is it only money in taxes that should count as money you're giving for the greater good? that's a really interesting
conceptual question that divides people in interesting ways, and i think it's actually a better conversation to be having than some of the other conversations we could be having right now about the romney campaign. >> like the 47% comment or something -- >> absolutely. >> marc, do you think this was a tactical, hey, look, i know this may not play well for me but it will play a heck of a lot better than the other conversations going on this week? >> well, that's exactly right. it's at least a divided argument. there are people who will say mitt romney didn't pay enough, and that sparks a whole different kind of reaction from people who are against any more tax hikes. it's at least a divided conversation. when, you know, you have that 47% moment or when you just completely bungle the conversation on egypt and libya, you're in a situation where almost everyone is against you and you don't want that. so romney is in a really bad position where this kind of bad
news is simply better than the other kind of bad news. >> let me play what ann romney had to say back in august when she was being pushed about the tax issue. here is what she said. >> we have been very transparent to what's legally required of us, but the more we release, the more we get attacked. >> so now that came out with the bullet points for 20 years but not the backup tax returns. why do that? why not just put them all out? why not rip the fig leaf off? you have a good physique. >> i can't say for sure but what i do think one possibility is this, there's already a ton of conspiracy mongering about this. there's people saying he amended those past tax returns, that's what he's been doing for the last three months and he can point to the fact that, look, i have given an enormous amount in charitable contributions and one of the interesting dividing lines in the election is civil society. how do you feel about it? you know, statism. these big ideological issue where is a guy who is giving a huge amount of money to his church and private foundations is on one side of the debate and folks say it's all about taxes, that's the vehicle of what
counts for a rich person to pay. >> one other thing, marc. there is one person tonight who may owe a serious apology. remember this? >> so the word is out he hasn't paid any taxes for ten years. let him prove that he has paid taxes because he hasn't. >> all right. obviously that was harry reid. before he said he had sources to that effect. he did put out a statement today and it was not an apology. it said the information released today reveal that is mitt romney manipulated one of only two years of tax returns he's seen fit to show the american people and then only to conform with his public statements. that raises the question what else in those returns has romney manipulated. he obviously is referring to not taking the full deduction on charity so the tax rate was above 13%. >> not taking them yet. not taking them yet. remember, after he loses the lest he could still file an amended return and get a big check from the u.s. treasury for the amount that he -- >> that is a fair point. that is a fair point. harry reid though, doesn't he
owe an apology? >> no, i don't think so. i think if mitt had released all of the information, then he'd owe him an apology. i suspect harry reid is wrong. i don't think he was lying, i think he had a bad source. i think he would owe him an apology if mitt released all the detailed information. we don't know he didn't have a set of amended returns. we just don't know. >> i'm sure we can get answers on those things. there's only a certain period of time you can amend. one quick thing for everyone, it would be very standard for someone like mitt romney to file his tax returns october 15th would be the deadline because of a lot of the forms that come in. so not a stall. >> that's the thing, right? >> that's one point of view. i'm merely pointing out that the time of file is already. i'm sorry, marc, i've got to leave it there, but i look forward to having you both back. you were great. still "outfront" as new anti-u.s. protests pop up, the american government is trying to calm down the crowds with a new television ad. this is a massive blitz. this is like running a super bowl ad. will it work? plus, she's known as the
white widow, and she's suspected of helping terrorists linked to al qaeda but no one can seem to find her. so we sent one of our reporters to track down this woman known as the white widow. and who is the democrat and who is the republican? in a key senate race it's a little hard to tell after the recent debate. one of the candidates, tim kaine, explains his side ahead. my name is adam frucci and i'm the editor of splitsider.com. i love new technology, so when i heard that american express and twitter were teaming up, i was pretty interested. turns out you just sync your american express card securely to your twitter account, tweet specific hashtags, and you'll get offers on things you love. this totally changes the way i think about membership. saving money on the things you want. to me, that's the membership effect. nice boots!
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our second story "outfront," hate for america. the violent protests raging in pakistan today left at least 15 dead, thousands of demonstrators were burning american flags. the pakistani government actually declared it a national holiday calling it a day of loving the prophet. the anti-american outrage comes as a new 30-second ad appears on pakistani television featuring president obama and secretary of state hillary clinton denouncing the anti-islamic movie that has sparked protests in more than two dozen countries. >> since our founding the united states has been a nation that respects all faiths.
we reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. >> the united states government had absolutely nothing to do with this video. we absolutely reject its content and message. >> that's exactly how it's airing there and these subtitles you see below are in urdu. the state department says the ad cost $70,000 to run on 14 different channels in pakistan which reach 80% to 90% of the country in prime time for five days. this is a major blitz on the air waves. to give you some context, what a bet the u.s. is making on this, to do the same thing in the united states, to reach 80% to 90% of the population in prime time would cost millions and millions and millions of dollars. just one ad on one night in this country costs $135,000 on average. all in to have that impact in the u.s. would be at least $7 million and could be multiples of that. the bottom line, the obama administration is all in on convincing pakistanis that the u.s. government is not bad.
it's a complicated relationship and it's one of the major national security issues of this election. fran townsend is national security contributor and a member of the dhs and cia external advisory boards. fran, always good to see you. so this video, i mean, this is a big bet, prime time in pakistan, you're not going to miss seeing barack obama and hillary clinton. 150 million people. is this going to do any good? >> i don't think so. i mean, it's a little mystifying to me because what you're trying to do is persuade people that you already know don't trust you and don't believe you, and so this is going to be viewed -- why they don't think this will be viewed as more u.s. propaganda. of course we didn't support the video that's so offensive but it's not clear that's what's driving this. consequently, this ad buy, it's not clear it's going to have any effect. the one thing we know has an effect on public opinion in foreign countries, specifically pakistan, we knew after we provided aid after the pakistan earthquake, public opinion --
>> humanitarian aid. >> -- humanitarian aid -- improved, not for a sustained period of time, but you could measure and know it had an impact. >> in aid the u.s. gave pakistan about $2 billion in 2012. today protesters were carrying pick tuesday of president obama superimposed on a donkey and i found this amazing. according to a pew research poll 80% of pakistanis have an unfavorable view of america. only 68% when president obama came into offense. is this trend going to keep getting worse? i know from the people i have talked to, the osama bin laden situation is a big part of this. >> that's right. >> but is it going to keep getting worse? >> look, i think we have to expect it will sustain itself, right? we're in for a protracted period where not only in pakistan but throughout the middle east you're going to see this kind of protest, these sorts of problems. but in fairness to the
administration, i think you've got to realize whether it's bin laden or ray davis, if prior to those things you had gone to -- >> the cia agent who killed a pakistani. >> correct. if you had gone to pakistanis and said what are the ten things the president can do to improve the relationship, if he had done all ten of those -- whatever those things are the pakistanis believe we should do to improve relations and then you had the contractor kill a pakistani -- >> you would be back to where you were. >> exactly right. in some respects a national leader can't win if he takes ric risks and asks in his own national interests. >> the question some people have is why bother at all. right now we need pakistan because our trucks are going over pakistani area. why not cut off aid. george w. bush was all in on pakistan going $1 billion a ar. that's gone up but he was all in and 74% of the country now sees america as an enemy. 60% have no confidence in our president. some people say then just get the heck out. >> right. and there will be -- and especially in these tragic times with what happened in benghazi, there's a natural reaction of americans to say let's pull
back. but we know what happens when we take an isolationist policy. things only get worse. there's no protecting yourself in a world that is so global and, by the way, let's remember pakistan has nuclear weapons, and so completely disengaging and leaving them and abandoning sort of any form of relationship is very, very dangerous. >> all right. thanks very much to fran townsend. next, a member of congress cleared of ethics violations after a three-year investigation and a pretty amazing price tag for taxpayers. so does that add up? and later, members of a jailed russian punk band have gained the support of yoko ono ahead of a court hearing that could set them free. the husband of one of the band members and his little daughter comes "outfront" tonight.
after three years of an investigation and what could be a $1.3 million tab to taxpayers, the house ethics committee has dropped its case against the california democrat. the alleged wrongdoing stems from a september 2008 meeting that she set up between a group of minority-owned banks and the treasury department. the problem is her husband had a financial interest in one of the banks, one united. this was back around september of 2008, the height of the financial crisis when treasury officials had a lot of things on their plates, things like the possible implosion of the american economy and the failure of the banks that dominate our nation. "outfront" tonight, manu raju, senior congressional reporter for politico. manu, good to see you. appreciate you taking the time. this situation with maxine waters, a lot of people have been watching this for a long time, three years. $1.3 million in a possible taxpayer tab. what did the ethics committee come up with after all that? >> not a whole lot. i mean, maxine waters, as you
mentioned, was cleared of any wrongdoing. her chief of staff, mikael moore, was hit with three violations. it's a letter of reproval which is the lowest form of punishment that can be given to someone, and he'soing to be back on her staff on monday, and maxine waters, she's in line to become the top democrat in the house financial services committee potentially the chairman, a very powerful position in congress. they denied any wrongdoing all along and the committee essentially wasn't able to prove its case. >> so she could be about to get a major promotion, as you point out, one of if not the most important committee in the country. what happened to the republicans on the ethics committee? >> all five of them recused themselves in addition to one of the democrats. this all happened in order to break a really bitter partisan deadlock over how to move forward. that came after a bunch of internal documents were leaked
to my politico colleague, john bresnahan, who revealed there was a lot of potential mishandling at the staff level and the member level on this case and in order to move forward, they took this unprecedented action, something that has never been done on the committee's 45-year history, and the republicans, they all recused themselves, including the democrat as well. >> so the bottom line is democrats decided a democrat wasn't guilty and maybe that was the right decision, maybe it wasn't but people are going to wonder about that. does the house ethics committee have teeth? passed this congress. four people cleared. only one reprimand. who do they censor. >> the replacement republicans who came on the committee, it was a decision reached on a bipartisan level today but that that's a fair criticism but this has been nothing short of a disastrous episode for the ethics committee. it's been a big problem and it shows just the fact that you mentioned, that members have a hard time policing themselves. >> all right, thanks very much. a story a lot of people were talking about today. still to come, she is wanted around the world for taking part in terror attacks linked to al qaeda, but so far no one has been able to track down the woman known as the white widow. so we sent our david mckenzie looking for her. an "outfront" investigation is
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breaking news now. a pro democracy protesters in benghazi, libya, have just stormed and taken over the headquarters of a radical islamist group tied to the attack on the american consulate in which four americans were killed. we want to go straight to arwa damon on the phone from benghazi, and arwa, what's happening right now? >> reporter: well, erin, after they took over the headquarters of that extremist group, there was quite the sense of euphoria amongst everyone that we're speaking to, even though they did torch one of the vehicles. they were breaking windows. they said they freed 20 prisoners, and one sentiment that one would get during the revolution, that the people were really beginning to take charge of their own destiny and they were saying that they were out to take their own city back, the city of benghazi, from these extremist militias that could effectively operate with a pretty high level of impunity here. but since then things took something of a sinister turn. the next location that was targeted was, in fact, the headquarters of a battalion that
has been endorsed by the government. we were at that location as well. we were hearing some pretty intense albeit sporadic gunfire, explosions in the distance. the government itself quickly trying to take to the airwaves here on tv and on the radio trying to tell people that this battalion that they were targeting was, in fact, endorsed by the government itself. and this goes to underscore just how chaotic and volatile the situation here is and just how easily manipulated the emotions of these crowds can, in fact, be, erin. >> arwa damon, thank you very much. on the ground in benghazi. where the islamist headquarters was stormed by protest ers tonight. our fourth story "outfront," will the real republican please stand up. it's a little hard to tell who was the republican during the senate debate yesterday in virginia. here is one candidate.
>> i would be open to a proposal that would have some minimum tax level for everyone. >> now here is what the other candidate said after the debate to reporters. i'll quote him, quote, i don't think everyone ought to be paying income taxes. all right. if you used simple logic, conventional wisdom and assume the guy who wants to tax everyone is a republican and the guy who wants to give some people a pass is a democrat you would be wrong. tim kaine, the man you're going to see on your left, he's the democrat, the guy on your right, he's the republican. left and right on your screen, but hard to tell from their remarks. but even the thing is, if you don't live in virginia, this race is still crucial to you, and here is why. control of the u.s. senate could hang in the balance. republicans need to get four seats to take control. there are only five states considered tossups and virginia is one of them. tim kaine is a democratic senate candidate from virginia, also former governor of virginia, and former democratic national committee chair. good to see you, sir. appreciate it.
>> hey, erin. good to be back. >> we probably had some people stumped there. this is interesting because i know you said i'm going to be open to a minimum tax, not that you're trying to go for that or plan for that, but you're open to putting that on the negotiating table. >> sure i'd be open to it. look, i'm going to go into the senate and i'm going to be open to good faith proposals of all kinds. my opponent took the grover norquist pledge where he takes all revenue off the table, but i pointed out immediately in that clip that you got to remember that there's kind of a lie being perpetrated that 47% of the people, you know, don't pay taxes, and it's just not true. the poor pay very high tax rates. i used to be the mayor of richmond, and if you look at the total tax burden of a middle class or poor family, they're paying a higher tax rate than mitt romney is, and i pointed that out very pointedly to the audience and that is something, you know, that you really have to consider. >> i guess what i'm curious about is you do believe that broadening the base then as a concept, i.e., more people to pay federal tax than are paying it now, is a good thing. >> yes. i think everybody agrees we have to broaden the base. when i was governor because of
our economic circumstance during the tough recession, i raised the threshold so that low-income working people, tens of thousands of them, did not have to pay state income tax during a tough time. but you can broaden the base because there are small businesses that pay federal corporate income tax and a lot of large businesses that don't. yesterday i put my own proposal on the table, which is heavily focused on the bush tax cut. >> right. which i want to ask you about. i want to ask you about but i have to say just hearing you, look, you're say something that is -- i'm going to say in the middle. there's plenty of republicans that would agree with what you're say being broaden the base and closing loopholes. one of them appears to be mitt romney. hold on that for a second. this bush tax cuts going away for people who make over half a million a year. that's your proposal. the president has said over $250,000 and he'd veto anything else. >> yep.
>> what do you think is the mistake he's making in going -- putting the cutoff half a million dollars lower than you are? >> sure. erin, my position is now a year old. when i was party chair i could see the positions hardening in both parties. republicans, make them all permanent. democrats, repeal them over 250, and the positions are hardened. over the summer you saw the senate pass their version. the house passed the republican version. each knew that the version was going nowhere when it crossed over. now is the time for a compromise. so if you find a compromise and you say, okay, let's let the tax cuts expire over 500k, it's better for small businesses in the sub chapter s class, and, second, it produces $500 billion of revenue over the next ten years that you can then use to deal with the deficit and avoid the need for the kind of devastating sequester cuts that will hurt medicare, defense, and other key priorities. >> all right. all of that makes sense, but i want to hone in on this issue of you differ with the president on this. he's campaigning in the state. i know you get along with him but you weren't by his side. you're different than he is on
some policies. >> i am. look, i am a strong supporter of the president. i want him to get re-elected and i do a lot of campaigning with him, but we don't agree on everything. i mean, that's not unusual for democrats. and this difference of opinion i wouldn't say it's a theological one. it's kind of a practical one. >> and where else do you differ from him? obviously you differ on the bush tax cuts. what are the other two areas you mentioned? >> sort of the two that have come up in the campaign are right at the beginning of the campaign when the president put the united states behind the military nato action in libya, i thought the rationale was a good rationale, but in the senate, erin, i'm going to be a stickler about making congress vote on things like that. i think if congress won't go on the board when we put military people and personnel and assets into the field in a war situation, why even have a congress? and so i think the president should have gotten a vote in congress, and i actually think congress was sort of complicity in it because, frankly, what they like to do is not have a vote --
>> and then be able to blame the president when it goes wrong. >> yeah. and when it goes right, of course, we were with you all the time. but i'm going to insist congress vote. the second one where we differed is earlier in the year when the president announced under the affordable care act there was mandated contraception coverage, i really support that. i think that's great. that's important preventative health, but i didn't think the religious employer exemption that the president and his team crafted was broad enough. i thought it was a good faith effort but i didn't think it was broad enough. i spoke up publicly. i said i think they need to fix it and make it broader. they did to my satisfaction, not to everybody's satisfaction, but the adjustment they made after i publicly spoke out, i didn't mind pointing out where i had a difference and i was glad they fixed it. >> well, now a manhunt on tonight for a terrorist of the worst kind. she is known as the white widow. she's a mysterious woman who is believed to have ties to an east african terror cell with links to al qaeda. according to officials, elusive militants that plan terrorist attacks both here in the united states and abroad are the biggest threat to america. the attack at the american consulate in libya is a stark
reminder, and when we traveled to the mali border in africa we witnessed it firsthand. now david mckenzie has traveled to mombasa to unravel the mystery of the white widow. >> reporter: this british mother is a wanted woman. samantha leeward was once cost as a victim. the pregnant wife of one of the suicide bombers who hit london in 2005. she condemned the attack and then vanished. she surfaced here in mombasa. intelligence sources say samantha leeward was now part of an east african based terror cell. she became known as the white widow. we're here to track her down. in december kenyan police helped by british authorities raided these three homes in the dead of night. in pursuit of a complex web of terror. >> devastating. devastating. >> reporter: they found enough bomb making equipment to wreak havoc.
>> the nature and amount of weapons we recovered in that house, the intentions must have been sinister. >> reporter: kenyan intelligence officials say the cell planned to destroy the bridge, the mombasa ferry, and unspecified western targets. police arrested several kenyans and a britain, jermaine grant. grant has been detained before trying to cross the border. somali militants raided the border jail where he was being held and freed him. kenyan police say grant knew samantha who entered on a south african passport and moved among mombasa's radical islamists. one of them is on a u.s. terror watch list, though he denies any links to terror groups. >> nobody has seen her. she's a myth. and i'm giving you a challenge. go find mombasa, find somebody who has seen her. >> reporter: so we tried.
first heading north out of mombasa. on a tip. intelligence officials believe that leeward spend a significant amount of time in this luxury villa north of mombasa. the caretaker says an arabic looking man paid three months up front, but he never saw a woman. in another upscale neighborhood, we catch a break. >> translator: she did not want to say her name and she used to hide her face. >> reporter: a security guard didn't want to show his face says a white woman moved into the compound with her three young children. she was always in a full hijab. >> translator: when she wanted to send me, she would give m money through a hole in the gates. it was very strange. >> reporter: authorities say she was living with habib, a naturalized britain. they're both accused of planning terror attacks. one day he watched the woman leave with her three children. that night the police raided.
the white widow had vanished. her intentions remain a mystery. some intelligence officials believe she is a committed jihadist involved with an international terror cell. others say she's little more than a sympathizer. as for where she's gone -- >> i wish i knew exactly where she is. i would love to know. >> reporter: rumors abound, only the mystery of the white widow remains p.m. darren mckenzie, cnn, mombasa, kenya. >> a woman the world is looking for. next, is it time to just end the euro, give up on that whole experiment? yoko ono joins the fight to free pussy riot but will it help ahead of a crucial court date. the husband and the daughter of the one of the members of punk band join me here on set live next. mb luck? or good decisions? ones i've made. ones we've all made. about marriage. children. money. about tomorrow. here's to good decisions.
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so i brought it to mike at meineke. we gave her car a free road handling check. i like free. free is good. my money. my choice. my meineke. so the country of cyprus, which has beautiful beaches and is also known as a rather shady money haven, floated the idea of an exit from the euro zone. that was during an interview
today. i am certainly leaving this possibility open. i'm not prejudging what we will do. what i am saying is these issues must be discussed seriously if we want to serve the interests of the cypriot people. tonight's number, $17 trillion. according to the imf, that's the combined gdp of the european union, which makes it the largest economy in the world, bigger than china bigger than the united states. we hear so much about the bailout of smaller eu countries like spain, ireland, even cyprus. the biggest beneficiaries remain the big guys who aren't getting bailed out, germany and france. with the euro germany and france -- without it, sorry, they're number four and five on the list of the world's biggest economies. with it they're number one. so while it's in the best interest of germany and france to keep theu together, it might be time for the smaller countries like cyprus to go their own way. for more on this subject check out my column in the current issue of "fortune" magazine. our fifth story "outfront"
which you may have heard a little bit there. a little person who is going to be with us in just one moment. yoko ono is making the case to free pussy riot. that's the russian punk band whose members are behind bars after they were found guilty of hooliganism. their crime, performing an anti-putin song in a moscow church. today ono honored the band with a grant for peace award. >> pussy riot was standing firmly in their belief for freedom of expression and making all women of the world proud to be women. >> "outfront" tonight, the husband of a jailed band member and their 4-year-old daughter kira is also with us. good to see both of you. >> good to be here. >> so let me just ask you how that moment was, winning that award, coming here to the u.s. you have been tirelessly championing for your wife who is in jail in moscow and you came here to win that award. what was it like? >> well, it was very wonderful obviously for any person who's doing political activism and who
is active in fighting for any cause. yoko ono is very much of a big symbol and everyone has images of how she was fighting for her own cause in the '70s and '80s and basically, well, it's an incredible connection that we were just amazed to see her make today. >> and tell me about nadia now. i know you saw her earlier this week. where is she? how have those visits gone? >> so on monday me and kira went to prison number six located in the southern part of moscow and it was very wonderful visit because basically kira got to see nadia for the first time in six months. she wasn't able to see mom for all of that time and, well, it was very emotional one and a half hour. they talked and shared their thoughts. nadia told about all the games she thought up while sitting in prison and kira told about the games that she was playing while missing nadia at that time. >> yes, that is your mom.
can you ask her -- i know for our viewers, kira doesn't speak english but what was the visit like? can you ask her. to see your mom for the first time in six months? [ speaking foreign language ] >> she said that she loved her. >> she said that she loved her. nadia told that to kira. >> she remembers when she would put her to bed, put her to sleep. when will she get to see her again? >> we don't know. when it goes through october 1st, they might be sent to a
colo colony, from 400, 500 miles from moscow. they don't know what the condions will be like, but there is a visitation room there. >> when you say it could be brutal, what we understand from prisons in moscow, 2,000 prisoners have died in the past six months, i mean, it's got to be terrifying to you to imagine she may be transferred. do you think you'll be successful in keeping her in the detention center in moscow? >> the political system in russia is difficult. we almost had medvedev join the free pussy riot cause. >> i saw that. >> medvedev's words should be taken very lightly. he doesn't carry any heavyweight in russian politics and we think the girls will be sent to a
colony and nobody knows what the conditions down there will be like, because, yes shgs horrible things do happen, violence does happen and the worst could happen there. that's why we're fighting as hard as we can and obviously, we'll be doing everything we can to make sure that the girls will not be sent to this colony. they have filed an appeal not to be sent there. we think that russian authorities will not recognize that and still ship them off. >> we see the pictures of nadya. she is saying her mom's name. what is she going to be, is she going to be preparing anything for the next visit? it's got to be hard for you because you can't tell her when she's going to see her again. does she understand? i know you said you told her early on the truth. >> she perfectly understands the political situation in russia. she constantly tells people putin has put nadya in prison. he's locked her up in a cage and we have to find a smart way to free her. she draws all these plans where she breaks down the prison walls and lets nadya free. it's very amazing.
>> yes, it is very amazing. she's a beautiful little girl. thank you so much. good luck. i know you're ing back to moscow. and thank you. >> thank you. rob lowe says i'm a lefty. is he right? we are all reflections of the people who came before us. the good they did inspires us, prepares us and guides us. at new york life, everything we do is to help you keep good going.
so every night, we ask do the claims and actions of our political leaders add up. we take our fair share of criticism for this, depending on what we say on any given night and this week it all came on the same day. on wednesday, news busters, a site that claims or that aims, i'm sorry, to expose and combat liberal media bias posted a story entitled "cnn hypes romney tape as monumental gaffe." manna from heaven from the left. in the column, the author wrote cnn quote, boosted the obama campaign spin that romney is out of touch with ordinary americans and host erin burnett called it manna from heaven. the column concluded i was helping keep the anti-romney media firestorm raging. on the very same day that column ran, the actor rob lowe was watching our show and he tweeted erin brown carrying some heavy water for president obama right now on cnn. now, first of all, i was a little hurt that rob lowe got my name wrong.
i know rob lowe and i actually thought that we had something special. i mean, when i interviewed him and his business partner about a new movie venture, there was something special. right off the top. >> erin, before we start, i have to tell you the only time i have ever seen rob lowe nervousas live tv with you. congratulations. this is great. >> it's true, it's true. we're together at last. >> together at last, rob? what happened to that? but hey, it's burnett, okay? it's burnett. hey, i'm glad to know rob thinks i'm a lefty. i wasn't sure, because on the same day rob lowe and news busters were calling me a liberal, i saw this story in a west coast blog called the examiner which included the line conservative leaning cnn host erin burnett took on the republican charge. the article was about our story pointing out that mitt romney supports redistribution if you look at his tax policy facts. my head was spinning. am i a liberal, a conservative?